miércoles, 17 de noviembre de 2010

Death (and Life) of the Author

Peter Wollen on Kathy Acker

Writing about Goya’s Black Paintings in Art After Modernism , a collection of essays published in 1984 by the New Museum in downtown New York, Kathy Acker wrote: ‘The only reaction against an unbearable society is equally unbearable nonsense.’ She once said she didn’t expect anyone to read any of her books all the way through from beginning to end: ‘even in Empire of the Senseless , which is the most narrative book, you could read pretty much anywhere.’ In other words, you could make your own montage, you could appropriate and re-order, just as Kathy Acker had appropriated and re-ordered the writing of others – Harold Robbins or Cervantes or Ian Fleming or Propertius. Recently, on the radio, Leslie Dick remarked that Kathy Acker’s writing was an extension of her reading, that her plagiarism was a way of reading, or rereading, appropriating and customising what she read, writing herself, so to speak, into the fabric of the original text. Acker used to read her own texts too, each one eight times, re-drafting it after each reading: once for meaning, once for beauty, once for sound, once to the mirror to see how it looked, once for rhythm, once for structure, and so on. Writing and reading became as confused and mixed up as sense and nonsense, male and female, self and other, the sexual and the political. Writing about Caravaggio’s David with the Head of Goliath , Kathy Acker commented on its nihilism, as she saw it: ‘The sexual is the political realm. There is no engagement.’

Barbara Kruger paid outrageous homage to Acker by rewriting – or, rather, parodying – her work that same year in the New York art journal, ZG. To Kruger, herself well-known for her appropriation of pre-existing images, Kathy Acker’s writing seemed that of a nihilist, rather than a critic. No engagement. Nonsense. Nothing. ‘Your quick-change artistry is a crafty dance of guises, cover-ups for that which you know best; nothing. And all the books, sex, movies, charm bracelets and dope in the world can’t cover up this nothing. And you know this very well since you are a librarian, a whore, a director, a jeweller and a dealer.’ In the end, it all boils down to baby talk, to unbearable nonsense: ‘Goo goo.’ It is more complex than that. Kathy Acker drew on an extraordinarily wide range of sources and a very complex methodology in order, not so much to express herself, as to dissolve herself into a torrent of textuality. This is far from nihilism or nothingness, even if it constantly rejected being for becoming. She was a ceaseless explorer of the disorienting potential of language, its directness, its capacity to drag the reader right into the text, ‘because that’s the only way you can take the journey’. Acker’s work, more than that of any other writer I can think of, challenged the traditional lines of demarcation between poetry and novel, between high culture and popular trash and, perhaps most important of all, between literature and art world. In all these respects, her work signalled the tremors of a deep cultural shift, as she sought to negotiate a new relationship between avant-garde artist and popular entertainer, between esoterica and pulp, between conceptualism and narrative.

‘Bookworm parrot Legba biker orphan pirate poet.’ Like Kruger, when I once jotted down a kind of capsule version of Acker’s work, I began with the love of books, with the ceaseless consumption of books. ‘Parrot’ of course goes with pirate – parroting texts, pirating texts, two ways of speaking about plagiarism, or appropriation, as it is more discreetly known. Détournement , perhaps, to use the Situationist term, or ‘re-functioning’, to use Brecht’s, re-functioning by re-contextualising, by making strange. ‘Parrot’ also meant ‘love-bird’ for Acker. She had two love-birds called Legba and Eulalie, after two figures in Voodoo mythology (Kathy Goes to Haiti ), which she also called her parrots. They were parents as well as pirates. Parents were the generative source of Kathy Acker’s private mythology, constantly bubbling up into the public domain – the parents who died, abandoning her, leaving her an orphan. Great Expectations is all about the orphan whose great expectations are destroyed, who is forced to run away, to get as far from home as possible, to become a sailor or, better still, a pirate. Pirates are outlaws too. They go with bikers, the wild ones, the rebels. But Acker’s rebels always had a cause; art always went together with politics, writing was a way of subverting the words of the parents, the authorised version, the authoritarian text. Like Burroughs said, it was a way of destroying the word-lines, storming the reality studio. It was a way of escaping the double-binds imposed by the structures of family and society – sexual, textual, ontological. Who am I? What is the meaning of ‘I’? What kind of a word is that, what kind of a trickster?

When Kathy Acker died, I was depressed by much of the obituary coverage in the newspapers. I could not help remembering what she had said about England when she talked with Sylvère Lotringer: ‘In England it was absolutely horrible … the media image is so much this kind of sexual image. I’m very well-known there and I get tons of work, but to say that they like what I do, no, I wouldn’t say that. They fetishise what I do.’ She had become an object of virtu, or perhaps I should say, of vice. She was seen as a fascinating and mysterious icon, an agent provocateur sent from some alien realm. I remembered something else she had said too: ‘I’ve always hated the English view of the novel … that there should be irony … distance … a very fine cool style, a very conservative way of writing a novel.’ I was glad when I found Diamanda Galas’s tribute on the Internet – ‘I once had a conversation with her late one night in Switzerland, and I was astonished to discover not only a provocateur but an extremely rigorous thinker with an encyclopedic knowledge of her craft.’ Galas identified her as ‘a keeper of the flame of our blood brothers, Nerval and Artaud and Baudelaire.’ She ended by quoting, in farewell, a stanza of Baudelaire’s about a sailor setting out on a voyage. It was one dimension of Acker’s work – the tale of the damned, the voyager, the outsider – but not the whole story. In some ways, it is very simple to understand where she was coming from.

Kathy Acker’s aesthetic and political stance (once again, it is hard to separate the two) was set for life in San Diego, where she went as a student toward the end of the Sixties. Born and brought up in New York, she had first attended Brandeis University, and it was because Herbert Marcuse left Brandeis to become a Professor at UC. San Diego that Acker left to follow him out west to Southern California. Then, in San Diego, she not only continued her academic relationship with Marcuse: she also encountered Conceptual Art. In fact, very early on, she fell under the aesthetic influence of another mentor who introduced her to the European avant-garde, to Black Mountain poetry and to conceptualism – David Antin. Antin’s interest in conceptual art, as well as his use of improvisation as a mode of literary composition and writing as a performance form, stayed with her through every twist and turn of her career. Talking about Kathy, David Antin once told me about teaching creative writing to students. They felt they should write from their experience of life but he knew they had not really had any experience of life, so he would say to them, ‘don’t be afraid to copy it out ,’ to find it in a book and work with that. ‘Kathy really took that ball and ran with it,’ he said. Later she could find a different, deeper rationale for copying it out, for plagiarism (although, as she always argued, it wasn’t really plagiarism because she was quite open about what she did).

She was also influenced by Jerome Rothenberg, a poet who was loosely attached to the Beat writers, but whose profounder sympathies were with the European avant-garde, especially French Surrealism and German Expressionism. Thus the influence of Marcuse, with his radical neo-Freudian emphasis on the role of eros in politics converged with an equally radical artistic avant-gardism. Acker was active in Students for a Democratic Society and also worked as a teaching assistant for Marcuse, as did Martha Rosler and Alan Sekula, two fellow students who went on to become prominent radical artists, combining photography, conceptual art and political militancy, as Acker combined documentary writing with conceptualism and leftist politics. Equally, if not more important, Eleanor Antin (David Antin’s wife) provided a role model for Acker as a female performer and avant-gardist, one of the first women to make her mark as a conceptual artist. William Burroughs is usually mentioned as the single most important influence on Acker’s writing, but, although he plainly was extremely important to her, the context in which she read Burroughs had already been set by the cultural formation that she had received in San Diego.

Talking to Sylvère Lotringer, in 1991, Acker said that David Antin had not only been her mentor and introduced her to the early conceptual artists, Dan Graham and Joseph Kosuth: he had taught her that ‘you just don’t sit down and write, you have to know why you write and why you use certain methodologies.’ In this context, she found in Burroughs a prose writer who ‘was dealing with how politics and language came together … Burroughs was the only prose writer I could find who was a conceptualist, oh he’s very much of a conceptualist.’ Burroughs’s cut-up technique provided Acker with a methodology and an example of how a literary technique could be given a political twist to become a mode of resistance, a way of subverting the control system inherent in verbal discourse, of expanding the possibilities of writing, ceaselessly creating the new out of the old. Acker went on to describe how she later made use of sections from Burroughs’s book The Third Mind ‘as experiments to teach myself how to write’. The Third Mind , produced in collaboration with Brion Gysin, was a work that used cut-ups and collages, structured on an elaborate grid system. Created in Paris in the mid-Sixties, it was not published until 1978, by which time Acker had returned east to New York. It was not one of the master’s more straightforwardly literary works – The Naked Lunch, for example – which intrigued her the most, but a much more formally extreme and experimental text, composed in concert with Gysin, a visual artist with a background in the Lettrist International, an avant-garde movement whose own roots combined Dada and Surrealism with an interest in pictography, concrete poetry and imaginary languages.

Kathy Acker was deeply committed to this avant-garde tradition, a tradition which was much stronger in the visual arts. She used not only cut-up but also incorporated calligraphy, self-drawn dream maps and Persian and Arabic script in her books. She simply added these new techniques to her ongoing concern with experimental writing. In San Francisco, where she lived after her graduate studies were finished, she had distributed her writing in serial form as part of a mail art network, another spin-off from conceptualism, this time in the form of a mode of distribution rather than production, one with its own political spin as the model for a decentred community, based on reciprocity and a culture of the gift, rather than the commodity. She sent her work to anyone who asked for it, free. When she arrived back in New York towards the end of the Seventies, she quickly abandoned the world of the St Mark’s Poetry Project, her first port of call, for the downtown art world. It turned out that her mail art writings were already known to artists in New York and this, in turn, led to her first true publications, the chapbook editions of her ‘Black Tarantula’ writings and The Adult Life of Toulouse Lautrec , with drawings by William Wegman.

Both publications were subsidised by Sol LeWitt, another leading conceptual artist, who had them printed by a small artist’s press in association with Printed Matter, the leading outlet for conceptual book art. Acker recalled:

Sol went to Ted Castle and Leandro Katz – Ted is an art critic and Leandro a film-maker [and a gallery artist] – and he said he wanted to print these texts as real books. He basically became my patron. I didn’t know who Ted and Leandro were – I thought they were part of the St Mark’s poetry scene – so I came back to New York and lo and behold it wasn’t that scene at all. They had a party for my book and Joseph Kosuth and Keith Sonnier were there. I was absolutely flabbergasted ‘cause I’d been reading ArtForum regularly and worshipped these people. I don’t think I could open my mouth all evening [a startling confession on Kathy Acker’s part]. From then on I was just in the art world.

Artists in New York – Barbara Kruger, Sherry Levine, Richard Prince, David Salle – had begun to purloin images; and here, too, Acker found parallels for her own techniques of appropriation. On the Lower East Side others began to cross-hatch avant-gardism with porn, pulp and schlock, the lower reaches of popular culture, in the birth-pangs of a vernacular Post-Modernism. This was the milieu of ‘No Wave’, successor to punk, of the Mudd Club, Raw Magazine and underground performance.

Soon she was part of a group of younger artists, peers rather than idols, father-figures like Kosuth or LeWitt. She was writing for Bomb, Top Stories , Between C & D , places where artwork and writing by downtown artists were published alongside writing by downtown writers – Constance De Jong, Gary Indiana, Lynne Tillman. Their enthusiasm underlines how important art world ideas and practices were to Acker, as she struggled to import a virulent contemporary avant-gardism into the world of literature. Even the poets at St Mark’s, considered an avant-garde mecca for Modernists, were baffled by her approach to writing. An added difficulty, in their case, came from her insistence on writing prose rather than poetry. Acker’s debt to Black Mountain – to Charles Olson, in particular, whose work she had known since she was still a schoolgirl – is quite clear and it is strange that this should have gone unrecognised, at least as she saw it, because she was not considered to be a poet. She adapted his concern with writing as language-driven, with a certain kind of incantatory text, based on the physical cadence of the breath, while introducing these preoccupations into the writing of prose rather than poetry. Acker’s immense debt to Gertrude Stein has also been largely overlooked, perhaps because poets see Stein as a prose writer and novelists see her as a poet. Acker continually stepped across genre lines (as she did across gender lines) and caused confusion in both camps. The only poets among her contemporaries to whom Acker became at all close were the Language Poets, celebrated, though also criticised, by Fredric Jameson – she contributed to their journal L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E and both collaborated with and borrowed from the leading woman exponent of the school, Carla Harryman. In England, she made contact with Michael Horovitz, advocate both for avant-garde poetry and live performance.

In The Transformation of the Avant-Garde , dealing with the history of the New York art world from 1940 to 1985, Sarah Crane reflects on the differences between success in the literary marketplace and success for the visual artist. Because novels sell at a much lower price than paintings or other artworks, the market for literature is much greater and commercial success comes from volume of sales. For visual artists, on the other hand, it comes from selling, for a high unit price, to an élite of collectors and museums, who are guided in their opinions and tastes by currents they pick up from within the art world itself. As a result, rich and successful artists are often militantly avant-garde in their commitments or their general approach, whereas bestselling writers tend to write ‘in the tradition of the realistic novel’ and avant-garde writers cannot realistically hope for much commercial success. When it does come, as it did, to some extent, in Kathy Acker’s case, it is because of the content rather than the form. The success of The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas had much more to do with its vivid pen-portraits of celebrities from the art world, than with Gertrude Stein’s experimental writings, even though these were inspired, to a considerable extent, by those very same artists. Virginia Woolf became famous and successful long after her death because of public fascination with the Bloomsbury life-style and because of the attention paid to women writers by the women’s movement. Joyce, Lawrence and Burroughs all had to undergo legal prosecution for their work before notoriety could be translated into celebrity, marginality into the mainstream.

For novelists, inevitably, the art world became a model of avant-garde possibility. All the writers I mentioned had close connections with the art world. Stein was both a collector and a close friend of Matisse and Picasso. Woolf’s circle was directly responsible for the launch of Matisse and Picasso in England, as well as the beginnings of abstraction in British art. Joyce’s supporters in Paris, Crosby and Jolas, saw his work primarily in the context of Picasso and Brancusi, Dada and Surrealism. Wyndham Lewis became better known as an artist than as a novelist. Lawrence exhibited as an artist and even had a show closed down by the police. Yet their place in literary history has been assured thanks to their insertion into the narrative of mainstream Modernism, in terms either of feeding into it or of branching out from it, rather than as a result of their postulating a specific avant-garde tradition or even option. The latter course, as we have seen in Acker’s case, would mean breaking down the barriers between the history of art and literature, a task for which neither side has shown itself especially enthusiastic or, indeed, prepared. Avant-garde writing has been seen as a necessary phase of experimentalism which, in the carefully chosen words of Malcolm Bradbury and James McFarlane, ‘made its way by spectacle, establishing its practices and its norms, asserting its distinctive significance for the times’, before its achievements were absorbed into a wider current, ‘the Modernist impulse transcending, often, the tendencies which had pushed and forced forward new modes, new presumptions’.

Sexual radicalism was always the third element in this particular story. Stein and Woolf were lesbians, and although they never overstepped the line of literary propriety, even in Lifting Belly or Orlando , they came very close. Early Modernism was intimately entangled with sexual radicalism and the series of scandals and court cases which punctuated its progress were central to its whole project, rather than occasional sideshows. In this respect too, Kathy Acker’s work is in the ‘great tradition’ of literary avant-gardism. In her case, the presentation of sexuality is always bound up with issues of power, violence and pain, whether explicitly through sado-masochism and rape or implicitly through a generalised oppression. Women, in Acker’s books, are both sexually exploited and sexually voracious, an antinomy which generates a cascade of complex discourses, crystallised in the figure of the outlaw heroine, both flaunting her independence, defying her oppressors and bolting in desperation, abject and humiliated. At the same time, the origin of the heroine’s sexual confusion and bitterness is always to be found in the nuclear family, in the complex of hollow but unremitting patriarchal authority, resented and yet supported by the desperately submissive mother. The father is a personalised ogre, rather than a Lacanian instance of the Law, and the mother is a tragic ruin, rather than a figure of imaginary identification.

After Marcuse – the authoritarian personality and the socialised repression of eros – Acker turned to the work of Laing and Cooper, with its emphasis on the repressive dynamics of the family, the entrapment of the child and the validation of madness as a mode of escape. Acker’s adventuresses are always, in some sense, child-women, whose frightening demeanour and impermeable armour vanish to reveal a terrified orphan child, wide-eyed, crumpling up, going ‘Goo goo’, bereft of meaningful words. Then, at the end of the Seventies, she was introduced, belatedly, to the work of Deleuze and Guattari, and found, especially in their Anti-Oedipus , a powerful armoury of concepts which she could understand as validating, not only the content of her work, but also her rejection of conventional narrative as the reification of desire. Later, she became interested in myth and turned to De Sade and Freud as the founding fathers of our primal myths of patriarchy, seen as a machine for generating hysteria and violence. In Acker’s work, however, family romance is always inextricably involved with language. Her methodology of writing is worked out within a totalising discourse in which she speaks from the position of the child, trapped within linguistic double-binds and subject to linguistic imperatives which cast her whole identity into doubt. Society is a macro-family of powerful rulers and powerless subjects, terrorising and terrorised, driving and driven mad – an extreme projection of the psychotic family, and its values, across the whole landscape of inter-personal relations.

In her early writings, the problem facing the heroine and narrator is that of the first-person pronoun, the ‘I’, the linguistic index of identity. Acker appropriated other people’s texts, mainly things that had been told to her by friends or, for a brief but crucial period, by fellow workers in go-go dancing joints, and mixed them in with aspects of her own experience, all told in the first person, because, as she put it later, ‘I didn’t want to be like a sociologist.’ She also changed the genders of her narrator, switching between female and male, between the prison of femininity and the joy of being a pirate. Pirate stories are a constant element throughout her work, childhood fantasies which never lost their charm as she plunged into a world of escape, defiance and sexual confusion, reinforced by historical research into such heroines as Annie Bonney, the female pirate whose gender was only discovered after her death. As time went on, she began to cast herself in a wider, more ambitious variety of roles, as the poète maudit , the doomed artist or orphan, the wanderer, the vagrant, the victimised – Toulouse-Lautrec, Pip in Great Expectations , Don Quixote (transformed into a dog), or, more directly, as Cathy from Wuthering Heights or Laure, the masochistic lover of Souvarine and Bataille.

‘I became very interested in the model of schizophrenia. I wanted to explore the use of the word ‘I’, that’s the only thing I wanted to do. So I placed very direct autobiographical – just diary material, right next to fake diary material. I tried to figure out who I wasn’t and I went to texts of murderesses . . . I was doing experiments about memory.’

Acker’s way of writing evolved into a complex mix of Burroughsian cut-ups and ‘cut-ins’, dreams, diary excerpts, foreign-language primers, plagiarism, other people’s memories, her own memories, all reduced to the same level of language, told as if by the same narrator, but constantly decomposing the identity of the heroine, changing names, erasing the distinction between the true ‘I’ and the false ‘I’, between the remembered and the invented and the discovered, the text as ‘found object’, the same text repeated in a different context – ‘the idea that you don’t need to have a central identity, that a split identity was a more viable way in the world.’ In fact, a kind of multiple identity, which could be likened, as Steve Shaviro has suggested, following Klossowski, to demonic possession. Hence, perhaps, the title of Acker’s My Mother, Demonology , in which she takes on the being of her own dead parent, in a rite of exorcism.

Throughout this process of textual experimentation, Acker stuck fast to her conceptual practices: ‘I wrote so many pages a day and that was that. I set up guidelines for each piece, such as you’ll use autobiographical and fake autobiographical material, or you’re not allowed to re-write. I really didn’t want any creativity. It was task work, and that’s how I thought of it.’ In another interview she explained that her book Kathy Goes to Haiti was ‘mathematically composed: every other chapter is a porn chapter; each chapter, except for the central one, mirrors the facing chapter.’ Once again, the construction of a text through a pre-determined methodology – cut-up or a mathematical procedure or a set of guidelines. As she notoriously confessed, or exaggerated, in conversation with Lotringer, ‘I don’t have any imagination . . . I’ve used memories, but I’ve never created stories by making things up.’ The fantastic elements of her writing are generated textually, rather than by acts of creation – the author is divested of her authority, mediumistic in relationship to a text generated through impersonal methodologies. The narrator, the ‘I’, herhimself, becomes a construct of that text, rather than the other way round. Acker exaggerated her own absence, but she was speaking from a clear historical and theoretical position – in the background, lurked Mallarmé’s throw of the dice, Roussel’s compositional procedures, OuLlipo’s generated texts, Picasso’s collages, Duchamp’s objets trouvés, Rauschenberg’s combines, De Sade’s endlessly rotating tableaux, Olson’s distaste for the Romantic ego, Burroughs’s cut-ups, Breton’s ventriloquy, LeWitt’s plans and modules, Kosuth’s art as idea as idea, Foucault’s death of the author.

After she moved to England, in the mid-Eighties, Acker’s writing changed again as she turned towards myth as a structuring device – a return to narrative in some ways, but in the form of an impersonal story, belonging to a community rather than to an individual. Acker had studied classical literature as a student – Greek and Latin – and so, once again, she was in a sense returning to San Diego. Myth had always been there before – voodoo myths especially and then there was her fascination with Bataille – but it took on a new centrality now as a device for structuring the narrative. To Acker, the world of Greek myth was filled with sexuality and violence, a sense of the marvellous and the inexplicable, of the ‘Other’, with an approach to pain and trauma which she could associate with the rituals of sado-masochism or tattooing – ‘rites of passage’, as she called them, ways of mastering emotional pain through bodily pain, ways of textualising the body itself. In her most recent text, Eurydice in the Underworld, published in 1997, myth is a way of exorcising the fear of death itself. In a theatrical fragment, she cast herself as Electra in a bizarre society drama, set in Sutton Place, her childhood home on New York’s affluent and fashionable Upper West Side, and woven around her mother’s suicide, which had taken place there twenty years before, yet remained the most emotionally painful event of her life. The author of My Mother, Demonology had finally come to terms with the betrayal she felt.

As Acker once put it, ‘If you scratch hard, you find I’m a humanist in some weird way. Well, humanist, you know what I mean!’ In her last books, Bodies of Work and Eurydice in the Underworld , we find her taking issue with Kojève about the end of history, offering her vision of a non-linear narrative time whose chance rhythms offered more than the Hegelian teleology she rejected, agreeing with Hannah Arendt that writers wrote, not to express themselves, but to communicate with a scattered community of friends, finding more hope in ‘the meaningfulness of the world’ than she had in the past. She was able to abandon the fixated role of traumatised orphan, to die at peace with the worst of her demons. Her voyage was finished and she had found the buried treasure. A particular journey was over, but the stories were to go on, the responsibility for reading and writing them carried now by unknown friends, new incarnations of Eurydice and Pip and Janey and the Black Tarantula and all the others. ‘So the doves cooed softly to each other, whispering of their own events, over Janey’s grave in the grey Saba Pacha cemetery in Luxor. Soon many other Janeys were born and these Janeys covered the earth.’

Wollen, Peter. "Death (and Life) of the Author." London Review of Books 20.3 (1998): 8-10. 17 Nov. 2010 <http://www.lrb.co.uk/v20/n03/peter-wollen/death-and-life-of-the-author>.

jueves, 11 de noviembre de 2010

Dos ensayos de Kathy Acker

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The Journal of the Midwest Modern Language Association, Vol. 28, No. 1, Identities (Spring, 1995): 87-92.



Writing, Identity, and Copyright in the Net Age


The Journal of the Midwest Modern Language Association, Vol. 28, No. 1, Identities (Spring, 1995): 93-98.

jueves, 4 de noviembre de 2010

Sontag's "Against Interpretation" & Postmodern Literature

Postmodern Literature Makes a "Form-al" Reply to Susan Sontag's "Against Interpretation"

Making things difficult for the reader is less an attack on the reader than it is on the age and its facile knowledge-market. The writer is driven by his conviction that some truths aren't arrived at so easily, that life is still full of mystery, that it might be better for you, Dear Reader, if you went back to the Living section of your newspaper because this is the dying section and you don't really want to be here."

DON DELILLO, in an essay

“METHOD HAS BECOME
SUPREMELY, POLITICALLY IMPORTANT.”
KATHY ACKER, in an interview


I.

“The fact is, all Western consciousness of and reflection upon art have remained within the confines staked out by the Greek theory of art as mimesis or representation. It is through this theory that art as such—above and beyond given works of art—becomes problematic, in need of defense. And it is the defense of art which gives birth to the odd vision by which something we have learned to call ‘form' is separated off from something we have learned to call ‘content,' and the well-intentioned move which makes content essential and form accessory” (Sontag 4). [ii]

II.

“It is the habit of approaching works of art in order to interpret them that sustains the fancy that there really is such a thing as the content of a work of art” (Sontag 5). [iii]

III.

“Of course, I don't mean interpretation in the broadest sense, the sense in which Nietzsche (rightly) says, ‘There are no facts, only interpretations.' I mean here a conscious act of the mind which illustrates a certain code, certain ‘rules' of interpretation” (Sontag 5). [iv]

“Thus, interpretation is not (as most people assume) an absolute value, a gesture of mind situated in some timeless realm of capabilities. Interpretation must itself be evaluated, within a historical view of human consciousness” (Sontag 7). [v]

IV.

“Interpretation is the revenge of intellect upon art. Even more. It is the revenge of the intellect upon the world” (Sontag 7). [vi]

“To interpret is to impoverish, to deplete the world—in order to set up a shadow world of ‘meanings.' It is to turn the world into this world. (‘This world'! As if there were any other.)” (Sontag 7). [vii]

V.

“This philistinism of interpretation is more rife in literature than in any other art. For decades now, literary critics have understood it to be their task to translate the elements of the poem or play or novel or story into something else” (Sontag 8). [viii]

VI.

“It is always the case that interpretation of this type indicates a dissatisfaction (conscious or unconscious) with the work, a wish to replace it by something else” (Sontag 10). [ix]

VII.

“To the extent that novels and plays (in America), unlike poetry and painting and music, don't reflect any interesting concern with changes in their form, these arts remain prone to assault by interpretation” (Sontag 11). [x]

VIII.

“What would criticism look like that would serve the work of art, not usurp its place? What is needed, first, is more attention to form in art” (Sontag 12).

“An example of formal analysis applied simultaneously to genre and author is Walter Benjamin's essay, ‘The Story Teller'” (Sontag 13). [xi]

IX.

“Our task is not to find the maximum amount of content in a work of art, much less to squeeze more content out of the work than is already there. Our task is to cut back content so that we can see the thing at all” (Sontag 14). [xii]

X.

“In place of a hermeneutics we need an erotics of art.” [xiii]



« (This was before the capitulations embodied in the idea of the ‘post-modern.')…

The world in which these essays were written no longer exists.

Susan Sontag, “Thirty Years Later”


[i] Can postmodern literature be seen as an answer to Susan Sontag's call against interpretation? Can it be seen as a challenge, a dare to critics—forcing them to turn to the kind of criticism/new interpretation (reliant on form) for which Sontag argues? Sontag's essay, written in 1964, appeared before the American postmodern movement in literature had gained momentum (see «), and yet seems to anticipate the form in countless ways—seems, in fact, to act in support of a genre that has not yet been created (at least not officially, that is, not by the academicians and theorists who call out such things).

[ii] Postmodern fiction responds to this separation of form and content by founding itself on the claim that form is content, content is form.

Take, for example, Vladimir Nabokov's Pale Fire, Thomas Pynchon's V., and Kathy Acker's Blood and Guts in High School. Nabokov's work is a serious game of hide-and-seek, existing as a metafictional mise-en-abîme in which the narrator, Kinbote, becomes so unreliable that we are not sure whether the other characters even exist. We are forced to create a new definition for reality—the reality within the fiction. Which world are we in? How do we read this world and what is the story behind it? Nabokov toys with the reader, mocking the very act of traditional reading and interpretation by making it impossible to read his words left to right and front to back. Should we consult the endnotes and index as we read their referents? Should we attempt to read the novel straight through, ignoring the connections until we stumble upon them in the traditional way? Nabokov makes both acts impossible by footnoting even his index, throwing the reader back and forth and over and over in a neverending cycle.

In V., we are thrown about in a different sense. This novel is more traditional only in the sense that it relies completely on language and it reads in a linear, front-to-back way. Here, each time we give in to one of our assumptions, it is simply knocked from our grasp. Pynchon holds out hundreds of characters for us to peek at, and chooses very carefully what he reveals and when and how he reveals it. The fictional world which he creates depends on the fact that just when we believe we can see where a character is coming from, the number of possible interpretations of V. become so astronomical (a character refers to the search as “the exhaustion of all possible permutations” [Pynchon 298]) that we are forced back into concentrating on simply finding an interpretation for the character (object?) called V..

Acker's Blood and Guts in High School is an ultimate denial of narrative convention. She introduces us to an utter frustration with the incommunicability of language, espousing that we must rely on something else—something that all of us must figure out together. We must all start at the beginning, where no one is ahead in the race – where no one knows more words than anyone else, and no one knows the best ways to use language yet. Behind her words and drawings and maps lies the idea that history and teaching “deaden” society. How do you reach the reader when your only medium is language, and you can't distort and contort it enough to say what you mean? Acker simply denies the commonly accepted literary form by placing drawings and maps and combinations of symbolic languages at key points in Blood and Guts until she goes so far as to create for Janey, her protagonist, her own entirely new sacred language.

[iii] At this point, Sontag's claims extend a little too far even for postmodern fiction's aims at daring interpretation. Postmodern fiction does not believe that content does not exist in a work of art. The reliance on disruptions of form (on “form-al” disruptions) does not precipitate a lack of content or meaning, rather it spurs the reader to consider the content inherent in the form itself.

In John Barth's short story “Lost in the Funhouse,” for example, the fictional plot is splintered and reflected upon by the introduction of a mediating plot: we have, on one level, a boy's coming of age story. On another level, we have instructions on how to write a story, instructions which, within the boy's coming of age story, are sometimes followed and sometimes not. The presence of the instructions makes the coming of age plot seem just that: A created plot. Traditional suspension of disbelief is constantly transformed into suspension of belief. Barth mocks the idea of using rules, guidelines, and conventions in order to create methods under which his work can be interpreted and analyzed by erasing the sense of verisimilitude for which most writers strive. He shows us the technical secrets, analyzing the story for us (for example, we are told what italics are used for right after italics are used, what initials and blanks are used for right after initials and blanks are used [Barth 33]). Critics beware—what shall they write about? ‘Lost in the Funhouse' is a Norton Critical Edition of itself. In the end, we are left with the feeling that while Barth is laughing at those who wish to interpret everything, he is also envious of that very work. He writes, “Therefore he will construct funhouses for others and be their secret operator—though he would rather be among the lovers for whom funhouses are designed” (Barth 45).

[iv] These are the very XYZ codes and rules to which Barth refers in his story. Sontag seems to have foreseen the goals of postmodern fiction, in which the codes are broken and the rules rewritten.

Sontag writes, “The interpreter says, Look, don't you see that X is really—or, really means—A? That Y is really B? That Z is really C?” (Sontag 5). This is, in large part, exactly what Pynchon is mocking in V., posing his challenge to the notion of signifiers and absolute meanings. Lurking behind his prose seems to be another voice: do not be distracted, dear reader, by the question I know is taking over your reading of my work—who (or what) is V? “God knows how many Stencils have chased V. around the world” (Pynchon 451). Postmodern fiction directs us to forget the rules, or at least shatter them open in order to see that meaning and content are ever-shifting—and ever-second to form.

Sontag next calls our attention to the notion that interpretation and the urge to interpret arose in late classical antiquity—in order “to reconcile the ancient texts to ‘modern' demands” (Sontag 6). This urge, of course, remains a palpable one, and it is upon that urge that our postmodern writers rely (or else what would be the fun of their dares?). “Interpretation,” she continues, “thus presupposes a discrepancy between the clear meaning of the text and the demands of (later) readers. It seeks to resolve that discrepancy” (Sontag 6).

[v] Thus, postmodern literature is never (as most people assume) devoid of content. It is instead a dare to interpretation—to the very idea that literature may be evaluated, whether within a historical view of human consciousness or without one.

[vi] Sontag might just as well be Acker's Janey in lines such as these, evolving her trope of the suffocation of criticism to the point where now, not only is interpretation destroying culture, but the very world, the very air we breathe. One gets the feeling she must verily enjoy the dares posed by the authors under discussion.

Perhaps postmodern fiction is the revenge of art upon interpretation.

Whether it is the revenge of art upon the world is quite another question.

[vii] “There is a world inside the world.” The mantra of Don DeLillo's Libra. Is this another point of departure between Sontag's fight against interpretation and the fight taken on by postmodern fiction? Her italic accent of the is very definitive, very settled, very un-postmodern. Underlying the majority of postmodern novels is the pastiche form, producing layers of memory the authors feel more appropriate to our lived experience of the past by recognizing the non-linearity of this process. The fragmentation of the mode serves to unify a more humanistic representation of memory, both individual and collective. Using pastiche as a principle of aesthetic representation allows for a fusing of elements not usually joined together by traditional methods. Psychologically, such claims for truer or purer representation are logical on many fronts. The very idea of memory is fractionalized and fragmented from the beginning; we only perceive a fraction of what happens, we only remember a fraction of what we've perceived, and even those memories are divided into different areas of our brains, different levels of clarity, different priorities.

There is no the there.

Part of what is at work in postmodern fiction is the idea that there are many worlds. In Libra especially, DeLillo blurs the lines between reality, history, and fiction.

Like Sontag, however, DeLillo mocks those that try to use rules to analyze meaning behind art just as he mocks the possibility of real interpretation. And like Sontag, DeLillo admits that there will always be a human need to try. “Facts are lonely things,” thinks Nicholas Branch in the novel. “Oswald's eyes are gray, they are blue, they are brown… He is right-handed, he is left-handed” (DeLillo 300). From the beginning, DeLillo sets forth the purpose that will be behind every word of Libra, a novel built around a fictional account of the actual Kennedy assassination:

Let's call a meeting to analyze the blur. Let's devote our lives to understanding this moment, separating the elements of each crowded second. We will build theories that gleam like jade idols, intriguing systems of assumption, four-faced, graceful. We will follow the bullet trajectories backwards to the lives that occupy the shadows, actual men who moan in their dreams. (DeLillo 15)

[viii] Postmodern literature won't allow that, relying as it does on the idea that there is no there there. “Real art,” Sontag writes, “has the capacity to make us nervous. By reducing the work of art to its content and then interpreting that, one tames the work of art. Interpretation makes art manageable, conformable” (Sontag 8). Postmodern fiction operates on both levels. It makes the interpreter nervous, and refuses to be reduced to interpretable content.

It is a universal sin among the false-animate or unimaginative

to refuse to let well enough alone. Their compulsion to gather together, their pathological fear of loneliness extends on past the threshold of sleep; so that when they turn the corner, as we all must, as we all have done and do – some more often than others – to find ourselves on the street. . . You know the street I mean, child. The street of the 20th Century, at whose far end or turning – we hope – is some sense of home or safety. But no guarantees. A street we are put at the wrong end of, for reasons best known to the agents who put us there. If there are agents. But a street we must walk.

(Pynchon 323)

[ix] This kind of statement seems too simplistic, both for Sontag and for postmodern fiction. Interpretation, after all, could also just as easily stem from the need to explain the depth of an inexplicable experience. Sontag seems to be cheating at this point with her use of a sloppily hyperbolic “always.” There is merit, after all, though she takes the view that “the merit of these works certainly lies elsewhere than in their ‘meanings'” (Sontag 9).

For instance, one can look at the ways in which Blood and Guts and V. identify with one another in an understanding of postmodernism. Both deal with issues of humanity and the fall of the soul – the epistemological versus the ontological: what can we know, and what world can we know it in?

Somehow Profane had difficulty getting back into the plot

of Existentialist Sheriff. After a while he got up and went over

to SHROUD. “What do you mean, we'll be like you and SHOCK

someday? You mean dead?”

Am I dead? If I am then that's what I mean.

“If you aren't then what are you?”

Nearly what you are. None of you have very far to go.

“I don't understand.”

So I see. But you're not alone. That's a comfort, isn't it?

(Pynchon 286-7)

VERSUS

“We don't care what danger there is, we tell the dead man after

he finishes speaking. “But we can no longer be human. We've

got to have that book.”

“You don't know what you're doing,” the dead poet says.

“You don't know anything. Therefore you can't do anything.

“You're capitalist bourgeois sluts.

“You're insane. Go back home.”

We must have that book!

We gamble for the red book with the dead poet who becomes

a devil. (Acker 159)

This is not lack of content—this is meta- (or mega-) content. These are the biggest questions. And they are the very questions on which postmodern fiction wants us to focus, putting aside the traditional explaining away of tropes and devices.

After all, Sontag herself does interpret within the same paragraph, precisely within her attempt not to do so. She writes about Last Year at Marienbad, “But the temptation to interpret Marienbad should be resisted. What matters in Marienbad is the pure, untranslatable, sensuous immediacy of some of its images, and its rigorous if narrow solutions to certain problems of cinematic form” (Sontag 9, bold mine). This is, after all, interpretation, but it is the kind of interpretation urged by postmodern fiction.

[x] ENTER KATHY ACKER. ENTER DON DELILLO. ENTER THOMAS PYNCHON.

[xi] Language shows clearly that memory is not an instrument for exploring the past but its theater. It is the medium of past experience, as the ground is the medium in which dead cities lie interred.

WALTER BENJAMIN in an essay

[xii] This is exactly what postmodern fiction forces us to do. Our task in Pale Fire becomes centered around the idea of simply finding the real story, or, less than that (and more than that), determining whether a real story even exists.

In these works, the act of interpreting backfires. In our ceaseless search to find the meaning – to discover V. or to possess Janey's red book – there is something essential that becomes lost to us. The discovery is not as important as the search. We are constantly forced to reevaluate the way in which we read any of these novels. We turn the page and say, “OH! That's what that means!” and then turn the next and say, “OH! I was completely wrong. That's what that means!” But this is what is essential to our understanding of postmodern fiction. There is no sanctioned reality. Reality is constantly reshaped and redefined.

What does it mean to be alive, to have a soul? How should we live? How do we reach people? The answers are not important—but surely there is no lack of content in the ways in which the questions are posed. In the end, there may exist no V. but the desire for her. The character Brenda asks Profane (the protagonist), “The experience, the experience. Haven't you learned?”

Profane didn't have to think long. “No,” he said, “offhand

I'd say I haven't learned a goddamn thing.”

They were quiet for a while. She said: “Let's take a walk.”

Later, out in the street, near the sea steps she inexplicably

took his hand and began to run. . . Profane and Brenda

continued to run through the abruptly absolute night,

momentum alone carrying them toward the edge of Malta, and

the Mediterranean beyond. (454-5)

It seems that only when Profane has finally given up all faith and hope in finding V. is he closer than he has ever been. The real fulfillment lies not so much in the final discovery as in the process that brings it to life.

In many ways, postmodern fiction and criticism can be seen as sister arts—especially in that both are the “free-est” forms of their respective fields. A fundamental question behind all criticism is whether or not it is all right to presume to know anything beyond what is presented in works of art. Postmodern fiction counters that we can presume whatever we'd like, but presuming will seldom be easy, and will almost never be supportable.

Within its dare to interpretation, however, postmodernism scrawls a luring note inviting the critics out to play.” Criticism sparks the kind of endless action-reaction dialogue that lies at the heart of postmodern fiction—the mise-en-abime nature of questioning and explaining and questioning again that never ends.

The goal of interpretation then (as Sontag postulates even before postmodern fiction has begun to gain momentum in its dares) should be to create a new kind: more an expression of the work's place in an evolution of ideas and art, less analysis. Less taste. Less judgment.A

[xiii] Another mantra:

“Keep cool but care” (Pynchon).

A We are absurdly accustomed to the miracle of a few written signs being able to contain immortal imagery, involutions of thought, new worlds with live people, speaking, weeping, laughing. We take it for granted so simply that, in a sense, by the very act of brutish routine acceptance, we undo the work of the ages, the history of the gradual elaboration of poetical description and construction. . . What if we awake one day, all of us, and find ourselves utterly unable to read? I wish you to gasp not only at what you read but at the miracle of its being readable… I do not consider myself a true artist, save in one manner: I can do what only a true artist can do – pounce upon a forgotten butterfly of revelation, wean myself abruptly from the habit of things, see the web of the world, and the warp and weft of that web. (Nabokov 289)

WORKS CITED

Acker, Kathy. Blood and Guts in High School (New York: Grove, 1984).

Barth, John. “Lost in the Funhouse” (e-text online, originally published 1968).

DeLillo, Don. Libra (New York: Penguin, 1988).

Nabokov, Vladimir. Pale Fire (New York: Vintage, 1962).

Pynchon, Thomas. V. (New York: Harper & Row, 1961).

Sontag, Susan. “Against Interpretation.”

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Bailey, Allison. "Postmodern Literature Makes a "Form-al" Reply to Susan Sontag's "Against Interpretation" en Columbia Journal of American Studies. 12/01/2005. http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cjas/sontag.html

sábado, 30 de octubre de 2010

Entrevista a Kathy Acker

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Interview with author Kathy Acker

ArtForum, Feb, 1994 by Laurence A. Rickels


Kathy Acker was on tour this summer and fall promoting her new book, My Mother: Demonology, a Novel. She interrupted the California portion for this interview break.

[...]

LAURENCE A. RICKELS: Did your latest book start out with a particular identification or demonization?

KATHY ACKER: It started out as my fascination with Laure's work and with Bataille, and with wondering what that generation, two generations ago, was thinking. I was amazed reading her work that the same preoccupations I have are there too.

LR: It makes it an amazing time-travel book because, as you say, the '30s are back, like on the trip to Berlin which is any time, that is, one of the two times, before or after the Nazi station break.

KA: The work Bataille and Laure were doing in the '30s was model-building from the ground up. Neither the democratic nor the post-Leninist model was usable, so they turned to anthropological work and started looking into myth and sacrifice to come up with a new ground for a new social model. Whereas Breton settled for Stalinism after psychoanalysis, Bataille and Laure were looking for something else, where irrationality would not be just a matter of mental functions, and sexuality would be something more than just the repressed. We're in a similar situation today with regard to Russian communism and democracy. In her search, Laure also looked consciously as a woman, which greatly interested me. So it was by chance (in other words by some determination that doesn't have a name yet) that in the course of working through Laure's texts I became interested in witchcraft. And this started my novel. The witchcraft material presented another history of women, or another history--one not written by and about dominant men.
Regarding my personal history: when I began writing My Mother: Demonology I was worrying that I was internalizing certain censorships. Any member of a society does, as Ulrike Meinhof once mentioned. I used to go to sexual writing for my writing freedom. That place was no longer available to me, due to the changes in our society, and due to my own writing history--I didn't want to repeat myself. All writers are scared of internalizing restrictions; we're looking for places of freedom that take you by surprise. I read the witchcraft material, and dreaming did surprise me. Dreaming became a technique for deciding the next move in the writing. I don't know how, I started dreaming about what I had just written that day. I started dreaming what I was writing. I used this as a writing technique. What would happen (it's especially clear in the Wuthering Heights section) is that I would rewrite, appropriate, plagiarize, whatever--copy (slash-and-gash method) Wuthering Heights, and that night I would have a dream, and the dream would be about Wuthering Heights. I started letting the dream decide where the narrative was going. So Wuthering Heights changed as I dreamed it. I didn't interpret the dream--like I dreamed about two basketballs lost in a pit and I told myself, in the dream, "Well, you don't have to interpret that!" I would leave the dream alone and use it to interpret the text. At the end of my version of Don Quixote I started turning to the body as a resource for new models of writing. For me, deconstruction was used up as a writing technique. That was the first time in my life that I started looking at narrative--that Blood and Guts in High School came together as a narrative really amused me. I've never been interested in creating characters or stories, I've never been interested in creating anything. I turned to narrative when there was nothing else to turn to; there had to be something more than taking apart constructions. I was coming out of a funny kind of nihilism. There had to be some kind of narrative, but one that wasn't only a means of control. It was at this time too that I became interested in tattooing, as an art that isn't just on the body but goes into the body. I started wondering if sitting in the body there was a narrative that was something else. What do you hear when you're listening to the body, as in bodybuilding, or in sex? What are the language movements? I'm always looking for narratives that I don't make up but that I'm already hearing.
The work with dream comes out of work with the body: you can't separate language and the body from the realm of the imagination. Empire of the Senseless was where I first worked on the relation of body to language, but there it was more writing about some thing than really doing it. It took me until this book to know what I was doing with that body/language relation. Now I'm exploring connections between masturbation and language.
The first direct work I did on the body/language relationship happened because Parkett magazine asked me to write about bodybuilding, and I found out that I was blocking. So the piece became about why I was blocking. And I realized when people are doing things like bodybuilding or whatever (I'm sure dancers are the same way), there's a very complicated language going on, but it's not verbalized, it's almost unable to be verbalized. So people like bodybuilders and dancers sound stupid. I wondered how I could describe this language that won't allow itself to be described, and why it won't allow itself to be described. Why, when I do it, does it seem very complicated, and the minute I stop doing it (because I thought I would just go to the gym, work out, do a diary) it's gone? I wondered if it was the same language-barrier problem as in sex. I've often noticed that when I'm having sex, especially during the movement toward orgasm, I'm having a largely mental affair, images that look as if they can be verbalized, but after it's all over I couldn't tell you what was going on. So I wanted to be able to access that language too.

LR: How can you do that, though?

KA: Well, with the masturbation project I literally stick a vibrator up my ass (up my ass! I mean up my cunt) and start writing, and it's working well. There was a bit of resistance. It was different with dreaming: at first there was a great deal of resistance, but by the time I finished My Mother: Demonology I was waking up five times a night so I could write down my dreams. I trained myself. Finally, I had a hard time not dreaming, because the dreaming had become so important. I was having a real problem not sleeping twelve hours a night and not waking up five times to write down the dreams. I had to stop myself dreaming. At the end I really felt that I was just raping "myself." But something had broken open.

LR: Sounds like you completely technologized yourself. But you also fed the machine; is there that element in the masturbation project too? Where you write something and then its replayed in fantasy?

KA: Dreaming and masturbation are different techniques of writing. The writings I get from masturbation aren't fantasy narratives but are descriptions of architectures, of space shifts, shifting architectures, opening spaces, closing spaces. I don't know yet what to do with this writing in regard to narrative; right now I suspect that the language accessed during sex has some relationship to Kant's categories. My narratives at the moment are based on dreams. Dreaming is something you don't think you can control. And it's something everyone does; one doesn't have to desire to dream. Bodybuilding involved a great deal of resistance and I had to turn to other texts to help me access that language, I had to turn to Canetti, for example, and I realized that the language I was trying to access was a meditative language, about breathing.

LR: Nietzsche said that all style is breathing.

KA: He was right.

LR: So the techniques you're working out started with bodybuilding and tattooing?

KA: Yes, the tattooing in a way, bodybuilding definitely. About five years ago I thought, I'm either going to have to stop bodybuilding or I'm going to have to incorporate it in my work somehow. It was becoming too important to me and there was a real time problem. But how do I incorporate it in my work?

LR: I guess when you forget about the individual characters involved, bodybuilding is about metabolism in a big way.

KA: It's also about breathing.

LR: Right, and writing. Its totally techno-mediatic: you're externalizing big time or you're internalizing at the same time. What gets internalized is something like tattooing, I mean the scarification and internal bleeding that go down when you build up muscle. But if not bodybuilding, which you were into before you came to the Coast, what changes has California introduced into your work?

KA: The change would be all the girls, these crazy wild girls who are part of the San Francisco scene. They're the main characters in the new book. I think it's the first time in my life that I'm living in a girls' society--it's like girls' school. I've got to get out of here! I want to graduate! But there's real safety here too. Here's a tremendous freedom in daily living that I've never had anywhere else. My strongest desire (it's beyond desire, it's a need) is to make it possible for people like me to be in society. Perhaps it'll have to be a different society. This society tells me that a woman after 30 doesn't have a body unless she has children. You can't even be a whore after 30. What I'm seeing in San Francisco is the emergence of a community of younger women that seems revolutionary, and also a relation to the body that I've never seen before with women. There's a play with gender, too: I say "women" but I'm not even sure. This could be the emergence of a place for me, where a woman of color like me (Jews have only been passing as white for centuries) and a queer (I'm so queer I'm not even gay) is no longer marginalized out of existence.

LR: Is there a separate story to your drawing?

KA: I always worked closely with artists, but now that I've moved to a big press I had to drop the collaborations. The house felt it took away from the literary value of my work. I said my work doesn't have any literary value, so leave the pictures in. They were going to give my work literary value, they said. So that's why I started drawing, because if I draw the pictures they're part of the work, and they've got to stay in. That's why I do it. But I can't draw.

LR: This kind of property dispute is a real feature of your reputation. I'm thinking of your reinventions of the notion of plagiarism. Was that part of your work all along?

KA: Yes, but it wasn't there because I was thinking about plagiarism. I grew up basically in the conceptual part of the art world, and I was trained to think about writing a certain way. You have an intention, then you set up the experiment, you go ahead and do the experiment as you set it up, and anything that's outside that experiment detracts from what you're doing. The experiment was never about, say, good writing. I had other rules, like Don't rewrite, don't do anything unless it's part of the experiment. It was only artists who understood what I was doing in my early work; to the literary world it was absolutely revolting.
In my first work I wanted to figure out what identity was. It was a real simplistic experiment. I just jotted down every day what I did, it was that stupid: I did this, I thought about so-and-so. Then I tried to figure out who I was the easy way, through the process of elimination. So the person I could say I most wasn't was a murderess, because I didn't think I'd ever murdered anybody. I started looking into biographies of murderesses and I picked pre-Freudian ones because I didn't want to get involved in that specialized language. So I went to Victorian biographies of murderesses, got every one you could, and started copying them. But when I copied their I put them into the first person, so there was this real autobiography and this false autobiography. And I went on from there. And I didn't know what was true and what was false by the end of it, I couldn't tell anymore. But I didn't have any theoretical language to talk about it. By now it's easy to talk about identity and construction because all the theory's been done. But in those days I just wanted to do this, I didn't really understand it. All I had was R. D. Laing. By the time I got to Blood and Guts in High School, though, I realized that I wasn't interested in this business about identity at all. Identity was obviously constructed; it wasn't a big problem. What I was interested in was the texts I was using. It wasn't interesting writing diary work, I was boring myself to death; but it's very interesting to use other texts. And I simply got interested in copying. So with Great Expectations all I wanted to do was copy other texts. I didn't understand why--I knew I didn't want narrative, I didn't want characters, but I had this fascination with copying. I started reading Foucault, Deleuze, Guattari. So suddenly the theory had started to form in me, so I could start understanding what I was doing, which meant I could do it more. I find I can't write without having another text in front of me. I mean, accessing language is like having another text in front of me. Or writing a story someone told me. There's no such thing as nothing.

LR: Something has to be metabolized.

KA: Writing is either hearing, listening, reading--or it's destroying.

LR: Did you find the constructed identity of the murderess, the constructed identification with these murderess narratives, having any effect on you? You chose something you felt was completely other and you incorporated it into the body of your work.

KA: I did six months, six chapters; I'd take six months off, do six more months. At the end of each six months I'd have a sort of nervous breakdown. It made me quite crazy, crazier than writing has since then. People ask me, Doesn't it make you wacky, writing what you write? No, actually writing balances me.

LR: But then you reach a certain limit, whether it's a breakdown, an exorcism. . . .

KA: It's totally like a possession. But only with In Memoriam to Identity did I begin to realize that.

LR: There's a kind of melancholia here, all the way to My Mother: Demonology. Plagiarism or whatever you want to call it is like an improper burial, or it's like taking something in, keeping it secret and alive, metabolizing it, yes, but more within the limits of recycling. The contours of the foreign body are still recognizable, like the vampire asleep in the crypt.

KA: But how would you see the relation to the mother in Demonology?

LR: Your relationship to your own body is always at the same time the relationship to your mother's body. And that's always the problem, because the mother's body is also off-limits--that's why it becomes a kind of limit to one's pleasure. That's the static or resistance, the melancholic legacy jamming the connection to one's own body.

KA: I've often noticed that the men in my books are stick figures. In the new book there are basically only women, girls, except for Bush, another stick figure, but how does he fit into this body politics? Is the father's body just that foreign? Does he have a body?

LR: The father is all about the kind of death that doesn't lead to melancholia; his mournable death is the antibody we inject into our systems to get rid of mother or demonology, but also maybe to get rid of the body altogether.

KA: In the new piece (I know this chapter very well because I read it five times in a row on tour) there's only one little paragraph which is very personal, which goes something like this: "O says, 'My mother wants me to suicide because she suicided. I try to find a father to get rid of my mother but there are no fathers around anymore.' All of the whores agreed with O: it was the end of the white male world." It's one feminist line that men are different from women; for instance, men are aggressive, women are kind and gentle. If that's true, for women there is no fear or trembling involved in the incorporation of the mother's body; there is no demon aspect. Which isn't true at all.

LR: But there is one difference: the only chance the father gets to come alive is the one the daughter has to libidinize or animate him so that she can be pulled out of the mother bond.

KA: And libidinization of the father is the biggest no-no. When some of the wild girls in San Francisco were asked to write the hottest stories they could, some father-fetishized. You know: I want to fuck Daddy.

LR: Right at the time the family was being invented, in the 18th century, those bourgeois dramas were already picking up on it.

KA: It's totally hot. Now everyone's favorite sin is child abuse. We all know that fathers want to sleep with their daughters.

LR: It's amazing how in California (or maybe it's worldwide by now) one thinks that one can externalize something like that and get rid of it, I mean without taking it in. As with the sexual harassment charging down university corridors. Pedagogy is, certainly transferentially speaking, one of our biggest libidinal charges. Now teaching, seduction itself, must disappear.

KA: What scares them is the demon part of it. So instead we go for dehumanized bodies, robot bodies--and teaching disappears.

LR: It's learning without transference, or writing without reading.


Laurence A. Rickels is a professor of German and film studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and the author most recently of The Case of California (Johns Hopkins University Press, 1991). A frequent contributor to Artforum, he is completing a study of psychotherapy in the Third Reich.

Laurence A. Rickels "Body bildung - interview with author Kathy Acker - Interview". ArtForum. FindArticles.com. 30 Oct, 2010. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0268/is_n6_v32/ai_15204420/